Mar
It's out and ready for your face!

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Nintendo Game & Watch (1980)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_%26_Watch

Game Cube WiiU Adapter
https://www.amazon.com/Super-Smash-GameCube-Adapter-Wii-U/dp/B00L3LQ1FI

Video Games Database Scanner
http://www.sortitapps.com

Frankies Pizza
https://www.timeout.com/sydney/bars/frankies-pizza-by-the-slice

KidRobot Madballs
https://www.kidrobot.com/collections/madballs

Billy Mitchell MGC Video


Broken Token Podcast
https://www.brokentoken.com

PAX Australia
http://www.paxaustralia.com.au

Games Done Quick
https://gamesdonequick.com

ZBall Pinball League
http://zball.com.au

Mega Drive Mini
https://www.polygon.com/2018/4/13/17237000/sega-mega-drive-mini-classic-edition

Daze Before Christmas (1994)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daze_Before_Christmas

Atomic runner (1992)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelnov

Streets of Rage 2 (1992)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streets_of_Rage_2

Matt’s River Raid Thread
http://gamethesystem.co/forum/?p=post%2Friver-raid-tournament-edition-9614404%3F%26

Australian Agriculture and Water
http://www.agriculture.gov.au

Ten Pence Arcade Podcast
http://tenpencearcade.co.uk

Total Nuclear Annihilation Pinball (2017)
https://pinside.com/pinball/archive/total-nuclear-annihilation

Ready Player One (Film; 2018)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_Player_One_(film)
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Garrett Bobby Ferguson/Billy Mitchell

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Don’t know about where Marc has seen/heard Billy Mitchell being a nice guy but I just rewatched King of Kong and - what a Wanker! I know there are suggestions the film isn’t entirely accurate but some of BM’s filmed activities are difficult to imagine in a positive context and I have no trouble believing things have turned out as they have.
One of the YouTube videos about the faked scores draws a parallel between BM and Donald Trump (something which had already crossed my mind) but I’ll mention another analogue to give it some perspective - Lance Armstrong.
Lots of people saw him not only as a great sportsman but also a great guy (though those close who knew the truth also saw the nasty side) - his charity work and return from cancer (which was most likely caused by his performance enhancers). He got away with his cheating for ages because cycling relied so much on his profile to support the sport, there was no desire he exit in disgrace.
Why would someone so good at their sport/game cheat to be on top? Because it doesn’t work otherwise. I can’t cheat my way to a Donkey Kong record or a Tour De France win, but those guys can!

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As BM said in KoK: “Well, maybe they'd like it if I lose. I gotta try losing sometime.” Got that covered.

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When he sued the Regular Show (& lost) over using his image for Garrett Bobby Ferguson, the judge ended his list of why they weren’t the same with the observation that Billy’s head doesn’t explode when he loses. I guess that can now be tested.
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Great points Mark.

I never really meant to indicate that Billy is a 'nice' guy, just genuine. As in, he's an ass, and I have no doubts what so ever that how he is portrayed in King of Kong is him (my experience with interviews of him on podcasts and talks corroborates that to leave no doubt), but he's a genuine ass. As in, he talks himself up, is abrasive, and an all around arrogant wanker (as you so eloquently put), but for all his bullshit posturing, he does what he says and he loves games.

I guess this is where my love of people who play games, and the characters that are part of that, comes in. The fact that he's unlikable doesn't mean that I can't appreciate what he is. And again as mentioned, he is very supportive of others trying to beat scores (maybe not his own though...).

Is he a cheater? Probably. But as I said on the cast, that's not going to be something I refuse to believe, just going to be something that is deeply disappointing - he's one of the greatest characters in video gaming, for good or bad. 
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I was going to (slightly) apologise for possibly misrepresenting Marc’s comments on Billy Mitchell’s niceness, but then I listened to that section again and found at 45:27 Marc saying “he’s just a super genuine, really nice guy - besides being full of himself.” Perhaps I misrepresented by understating it! 😉

So, I’ll move on to a couple of other small points.

On the 3/5 ball and user friendliness pinball controversies, I’m afraid I have to pull Marc up again on a couple of inaccuracies (don’t get paranoid Marc) 😏

He is partly correct about games increasing difficulty on 5-ball. This is true for Bally/Williams machines (at least of the ‘90s) but is not the case for 21st century Stern games (another lost technology, like compensating for lost balls). I have it straight from the horse’s (Gary Stern’s) mouth that Stern pinballs are designed as 3 ball games and operators setting their machines to 5 balls are just giving away two extra balls to play the same game.

To give some examples of the toughening of 5-ball games on Williams machines;
On Creature from the Black Lagoon, the Snack Bar will spot a Snack target each time you shoot it on 3-ball, but this doesn’t happen with 5-ball.
Addams Family on 3-ball has the front of the swamp start the lit Mansion mode and the sides lock a ball for multi when lit. Both these features are disabled by default in 5-ball games, making for a rather boring Swamp!
On those machines in the Zball stable set to 5-ball, I manually reinstated the above features because they are expected by those familiar with the machines, and would lead to arguments if they weren’t present. (Other difficulties remain, like shortened ball save [not applicable to AF but I was thinking also of IJ]).

Of Pinball’s user friendliness, particularly starting games:
Why do novice pinball players think a game should start as soon as the money drops? Is that what happens with video games (incl Big Buck)? NO! You press a Start button (like pinball). Does a poker machine instantly spin when a coin is inserted (if you’re even using coins)? Nope! Buttons. Can you get stuff from vending machines by JUST inserting money? Buttons again.
What money-taking machine are players thinking of to make them think there’s no Start button involved with pinball? It’s on the front of the machine to the left of where the money went in. It’s in the same spot on pretty much all machines, it says “Start” and most start flashing when a game can be started. Some machines also flash a button on the lockdown bar and (sorry Marc) if you press that it DOES start the game (at least Guardians did so last night). I don’t think ACDC starts games with that button, but it also doesn’t flash it along with the Start button. I’m not sure how it can be made easier - it’s a device and some learning is required.

I’m also a believer in experiencing things as originally intended, be it default settings on pinball, or listening to complete albums in original track order. Of course, in that spirit, John should be playing his video games using the default controller layout!
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Thanks for those comments Mark, it's good to have someone on the forum with actual knowledge, as opposed to me who bases everything I know on something I might have heard sometime!

I have to disagree with you about the start button on pinball machines though. The fact that there's 'learning' involved is neither here nor there I reckon. This is a machine that is meant to make money, and if your casual player is meant to 'learn' how to start a game, then that's an automatic fail out of the gate. And I've seen way too many people not know how to start a game after putting money in to put it up to a small minority where this is a problem.

Good to hear that the lockdown bar button starts some games though. That's a leap forward. It's not great for people like you and I though who might start a game accidentally with their ass as we lean back and chat whilst swigging a beer!
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(I have a sneaking suspicion I know where you may have heard that 😁)

How would you make starting pinball easier without machine telepathy? Could make the screen a touchscreen: just... got... to... reach... it! Or the lockdown could be entirely flashing buttons, making the machine impossible to maintain and leaving us NOWHERE to sit.
When I said there’s ‘learning’ I think it’s at its bare minimim and on a par with those other money-making machines I mentioned. In fact I usually find it much more complicated to get a vending machine to do what I want first time AND they’re all different!
And yes, like we needed the machine to do something else you didn’t want by leaning on the lockdown.
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bakersnarkMDW wrote:

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I’m also a believer in experiencing things as originally intended, be it default settings on pinball, or listening to complete albums in original track order. Of course, in that spirit, John should be playing his video games using the default controller layout!


haha. A well picked point. 🙂
Actually, its true that I do generally stick to a default control setup and frown on those that stray because I believe the designer made the controls that way for a reason. But, at the same time I am a person that can use reason to make my own decisions about what is best for me and if I do truly find a better way and don't see any advantage to the default setting I will change it.

This was actually a point I was trying to make on the podcast (probably failed). I can't understand why the default controller setup is the one that they chose when it is clearly inferior. I honestly think that they actually hurt the success of the game by choosing this controller setup.
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Just an opportunistic light dig John 😁

While I think it usually best to stick with defaults if there’s no great gain in change, there’s no need to be a slave to convention and suffer stupid design decisions that will make your game forever sub par.
In fact, I think you said you changed to a complete alternate layout, which is better than editing each individual button. 

On a completely different podcast related subject:
Screw Daze Before Christmas and its small fry $350 price tag. Went to Paramatta Gametraders tonight and saw this:
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I’m not sure about the validity of that price (I’m not familiar with N64 stuff so much), but I love that Gametraders are selling rare retro games. You won’t find these things anywhere outside of eBay so being able to see these in person (and debate the prices!) is fantastic.
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A quick Google search suggests prices for cartridges top out around $50 and Factory Sealed boxes around $400. I guess Gametraders’ copy is in the latter category but I didn’t get that impression from my quick look and it’s hard to tell from my photo. What I have noticed in the photo is a VGGRADER.com sticker (I’m afraid I’d cropped it out of the picture above):

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Here’s a listing for $375 That also sports a VGGRADER.com sticker:
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Paper-Mario-Nintendo-64-2001-NEW-Factory-Sealed-VGA-90/352318031153?hash=item5207ca8531:g😃qwAAOSwx6pYoqfP&_trkparms=gclientid%3DPpCFGUWD2i3f7e1b8vELm-9NWgf6upqMaxszTxkq4O9ONgeCNPnYzGCQHiT-25XM&_trksid=p2489528.m4335.l8656
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A little unclear, but I’m pretty sure it says 90+.
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Looks like $1100 is way off the mark then!

And really, who'd pay over $30 for an N64 game anyway...
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Looks like $1100 is way off the mark then!

And really, who'd pay over $30 for an N64 game anyway...


Ha! Pretty much everyone that buys them at the moment! Haha
I know you were kinda joking but like the snes, N64 is stupidly priced ATM.

Makes me wonder what games Traders paid for that considering the price.
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Hwaygo wrote:


Ha! Pretty much everyone that buys them at the moment! Haha
I know you were kinda joking but like the snes, N64 is stupidly priced ATM.

Makes me wonder what games Traders paid for that considering the price.


As I said to Marc through other channels:
To the untrained eye there’s nothing special about it and how rare can a Nintendo title be?
How do you operate that side of the business? If some guy comes in selling that for $20, what do you do? If he comes back next week to see $1100 on it you have to be glad there’re no windows in Westfield, otherwise you’d be out one! If you fess up its worth a bit more, how much do you pay? Give him $100 and you’re still for defenestration next week. Or do you bite the bullet and haggle him down to $15. 😡
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And so we come full circle...

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The wide shot:
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As Marc put it:
”Celebrating the girder finger as one happy team”
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Haha. It's really weird revisiting this, now with the knowledge of actually meeting and talking with the man. Certainly none of that could have been predicted when we did this podcast.
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