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Game the System Podcast Episode 3! Let us know all the ways in which we are wrong in this thread, or email us at feedback@gamethesystem.co

 

Podcast link: http://gamethesystem.co/podcast

Spoilers Below:

Intro music from http://www.bensound.com
M.U.L.E. (2015)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/182619/mule-board-game
There was indeed food. I should have trusted my memory. (John)
Eclipse (2011)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/72125/eclipse
Frostgrave (2015)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/177354/frostgrave
River Raid T.E. forum thread
https://forum.gamethesystem.co/post/river-raid-tournament-edition-9614404
Atari Age
https://www.atariage.com/
Game and Watch gallery Advance (2002)
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Game-Boy-Advance/Game-Watch-Gallery-Advance-266760.html
Arcade attack Al Nilsen interview
https://arcadeattackpodcast.podbean.com/e/no-50-al-nilsen-sega-interview/
Checkpoint Organisation
http://checkpoint.org.au/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqU9bYcnYi-yc2tJxCTkDvg
Smurfing definitions
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smurfing
These definitions are surprisingly different from what I think of as smurfing. Generally in CS people smurf for the fun of beating newbies to the game. (John)
International Flipper pinball association
https://www.ifpapinball.com/
Australian Championship Series News Article
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/australian-pinball-championship-series-held-in-adelaide-for-the-first-time/news-story/c122c1e3bdc3b9965781e7a308b32e54?nk=93e7091982e81b801281bbf63deb6601-1518865719
Alien Pinball
http://www.heighwaypinball.com/

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Feedback as we go! MULE was originally on Atari400/800. Set on planet Irata - Atari spelled backwards (clever!).

Also, just to get our boardgaming labels/pigeon-holes/boxes correct, I believe Eclipse is a 4X game - eXpand, eXplore, eXploit, eXterminate.
I have a Babylon 5 themed 4X https://videogamegeek.com/boardgame/1873/babylon-5-component-game-system-core-sets plus a little light 4X-type called Pocket Imperium https://videogamegeek.com/boardgame/147299/pocket-imperium, which has one of my favourite rules to determine first player - many just say youngest player first (or when they got bored with that, oldest player). PI says: “Whichever player most recently played a space-based 4X game that lasted at least 6 hours is the starting player”

That would put Matt in poll position but fail to qualify because Eclipse was too short!

Here’s a write up I did of a play through of Pocket Imperium with description of the game, the rules, how we got a number of them wrong and what they should have been. I was pleased to note that one of the 3 thumbs I received was from user ‘morti’, the designer of the game.

https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/218332/item/5333941#item5333941
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layno411
Hey guys,

Loving the podcast, although as a gamer with a non pinball background episode two had some lengthy discussions i was oblivious to. Can't wait to get stuck into Ep 3 on the drive home this afternoon.

If you guys ever played any of these games in the past (back in the day) would love to here some discussion on them.

- California Games (PC)
- Jones in the fast lane (PC)
- Original Prince of Persia (PC)
- Any Leisure Suit Larry (PC)
- ESPN Extreme games (PS1)

From the podcast i'm assuming the 3 of you aren't current PC gamers but if you have played any of the modern stuff like PUBG and fortnite that would be awesome to discuss as well

Keep up the great work fellas! 
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layno411 wrote:
Hey guys,

Loving the podcast, although as a gamer with a non pinball background episode two had some lengthy discussions i was oblivious to. Can't wait to get stuck into Ep 3 on the drive home this afternoon.

If you guys ever played any of these games in the past (back in the day) would love to here some discussion on them.

- California Games (PC)
- Jones in the fast lane (PC)
- Original Prince of Persia (PC)
- Any Leisure Suit Larry (PC)
- ESPN Extreme games (PS1)

From the podcast i'm assuming the 3 of you aren't current PC gamers but if you have played any of the modern stuff like PUBG and fortnite that would be awesome to discuss as well

Keep up the great work fellas! 


Thanks Layno!

Both Matt and John are current PC gamers so yes we should be able to cover you there. We will definitely touch on your gaming picks next episode. Thanks for the great feedback.
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For the benefit (I hope) of listeners, here is a potted summary of MULE the boardgame (shame I can’t retrospectively supply the podcasters with this):
Planet Irata is made up of semi-randomly placed cardboard tiles representing land plots. Each turn the players get a plot of land for free to add to their holdings with the option to use a card to force an additional land sale to tweak the land ownership balance. There are 4 resources/commodities in the game and 4 land types used to produce them at different efficiencies. River is best for Food (green), plains are best for (solar) Energy (orange), high mountains are best for Smithore (blue) and low mountains are a Jack-of-all-trades producing each of those 3 in an equally mediocre fashion. The exposed side of each tile has either a purple ‘?’ or purple ‘X’ to indicate if it can or can’t produce Crystite (purple 😜). The actual level of Crystite production is concealed on the back of the ‘?’ tiles and can be discovered by taking an Assay action or you can chance your arm and just start mining for it (something that served me very poorly towards the end of our game). Players purchase MULEs from the store and equip them to produce a particular resource on a plot of their land (they can be re-equipped for a cost) and these are replenished by the store using Smithore if available. The MULEs are robotic but the players are biological beings running the operations and so they spend food (up to 6) to take actions during their turn - no food, no turn (in the video game your food supply determines how long you have to take your turn). 1 Energy has to be spent for every non-Energy-producing MULE to produce its goods. Those 3 useful commodities have their prices set on a supply/demand basis while Crystite is a purely luxury good subject to the whims of the off-world market so the price is set in the game by the random value printed on an event card drawn each turn, which also has an event affecting other aspects of the game particularly improving or hindering production levels of a specific good for that turn. Production levels can also be improved by the economies of scale of having several adjacent plots producing the same resource. The game is a set number of turns governed by the number of event cards in the deck (usually 7?), with the final card being the mothership returns signalling game end. Most money wins!
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bakersnarkMDW
In my continuing effort to improve gamers’ reading skills (this is a public service):

So I’m assuming that John is heavily into Games Workshop due to The Bard’s glowing recommendations. Does he own a GW Gargoyle? The only GW product I own is Battle Games in Middle Earth, which is one of those expensive ripoff week-by-week instalment things at the newsagent which I usually avoid, but I ended up with a large chunk of this one as explained in the associated note in my BGG collection. I guess the expense of this product would prepare you for the rest of the GW range ;-)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/35557/battle-games-middle-earth

The closest thing otherwise to GW stuff I have is Battletech. Didn’t play it ‘back in the day’ but got the Battletech Introductory Box Set about a year ago, which comes with about 30 plastic no-frills minis which are, and probably will remain, unpainted. It’s one of your low-count figure games (what was their marketing department thinking?!)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/31759/battletech-introductory-box-set

In a sort of similar vein I have Inferno, which has been described as Battletech with Demons.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2656/inferno
Demons slug it out in the Underworld for whatever it is that motivates demons - tormenting souls for the hell of it I guess. There was a line of miniatures produced but I just have the cardboard stand ups that came in the box. It also had an expansion with some fairly impressive 3D cardboard towers and gantries which I DO have, acquiring the lot for the princely sum of $3 in a BGG auction (up yours GW!)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2656/inferno

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The seller was making space for Cthulhu Wars:

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Note the schooner glass at back right for scale! (or was it a pint?)

Speaking of cardboard stand ups, here is one of my preferred BGG video reviewers Marco Arnaudo (marnaudo) demonstrating Frostgrave using cardboard rather than minis.
https://boardgamegeek.com/video/75829/frostgrave/video-review
His accent takes a little getting used to but I like his range of tastes without necessarily agreeing with all his opinions.

Generally not much of a miniatures guy, I’m happy enough pushing bits of cardboard around a hex map but realise minis and meeples can make a game more attractive to try. That’s why I’ve ended up with a bunch of pre-painted Star Trek ships from Star Trek: Attack Wing.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/139771/star-trek-attack-wing
Though I now have the equipment to play that game in its own right, I was initially getting the models for use in various other Star Trek themed games such as Federation Commander. Here is Marnaudo again getting excited about it (note his preference for little bits of cardboard).
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/65612/item/3817887#item3817887

On the dungeon-bash front I’ve got combinable Xena and Hercules games (yes, based on the Sam Raimi TV series). Made by the same company that made the Babylon5 4X game I mentioned above, it also features exploration of a map made of large hidden hexes.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/10432/hercules-legendary-journeys
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/8484/xena-warrior-princess-board-game

In an unusual twist on ‘dungeon bashing’ I have Insecta.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1246/insecta
A bit bare-bones component-wise, it does technically have ‘minis’ in the form of a bag of plastic/rubber bugs as found at toy shops. The players create Frankenstein’s monster style mutant insects consisting of body parts from real world insects and can then either pit them against each other in arena battles or they can set out as a group of ‘adventurers’ invading a hive/dungeon populated by real-life insects (ants, bees, scorpions etc). You eat the opponents you kill and you use the food points like XP to develop your insect, usually increasing in size and adding body parts. Here are some example starting ‘characters’:

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Inferno looks cool. It looks like quite a bit of research and 'learning' would have to be invested though, which is always a barrier for entry on my side - as much as I keep saying I want to get into these sorts of games.

I really like the sound of Frostgrave too. John did you say you had all of the stuff to play this game? Maybe we could try and pencil something in for the future...
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Mar wrote:
Inferno looks cool. It looks like quite a bit of research and 'learning' would have to be invested though, which is always a barrier for entry on my side - as much as I keep saying I want to get into these sorts of games.

I really like the sound of Frostgrave too. John did you say you had all of the stuff to play this game? Maybe we could try and pencil something in for the future...


I’d say Inferno probably requires the least “research and 'learning'” of the lot with 6 pages of rules and a further 6 of ‘spells’. It has pregenerated demons to just plop down and fight. If the claimed similarities with BattleTech are correct (just going by forum talk) it might provide a foot in the door to that system, which in turn comes with QuickStart rules available as a PDF, plus the Intro box has an Intro rulebook to add a little meat, and the 30 figures each with premade character sheets.
http://d15yciz5bluc83.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/BattleTechQuick-Start-Rules.pdf?x64300

I DO like the look of Frostgrave but suspect (& marnaudo suggests) it requires a fair bit of prep for all players [which I’m happy to do ;-)].

CORRECTION: I have inadvertently grossly misrepresented the size of the rule set for Inferno - it is 8 pages rather than 6. In my second hand copy, 2 pages stuck together when I made my initial count 😖
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bakersnarkMDW wrote:
In my continuing effort to improve gamers’ reading skills (this is a public service):

So I’m assuming that John is heavily into Games Workshop due to The Bard’s glowing recommendations. Does he own a GW Gargoyle? 

The closest thing otherwise to GW stuff I have is Battletech. Didn’t play it ‘back in the day’ but got the Battletech Introductory Box Set about a year ago, which comes with about 30 plastic no-frills minis which are, and probably will remain, unpainted. It’s one of your low-count figure games (what was their marketing department thinking?!)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/31759/battletech-introductory-box-set


Speaking of cardboard stand ups, here is one of my preferred BGG video reviewers Marco Arnaudo (marnaudo) demonstrating Frostgrave using cardboard rather than minis.
https://boardgamegeek.com/video/75829/frostgrave/video-review
His accent takes a little getting used to but I like his range of tastes without necessarily agreeing with all his opinions.

Generally not much of a miniatures guy, I’m happy enough pushing bits of cardboard around a hex map but realise minis and meeples can make a game more attractive to try. That’s why I’ve ended up with a bunch of pre-painted Star Trek ships from Star Trek: Attack Wing.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/139771/star-trek-attack-wing



Actually I wouldn't say im hugely into GW. As I said on the podcast, the cost is a big barrier for me. But also these days I'm just not finding the time to do any miniture painting, and I refuse to buy more minis with unpainted minis waiting.

What I do like about GW is the quality of their sculpts is very good. There are cheaper minis out there but they generally aren't as detailed. And no, I don't have a Gargoyle haha. What the bard says about the Gargoyle is up for debate. I think he was really just trying to make a point about GW going over the top in many respects.

I'd actually like to see those battle tech minis. They sound excellent.

You could definitely play frostrgave with cardboard stand ups no issues. This might be a good option for people like Mar.
I don't think there is all that much prep with Frostgrave. The rules are fairly simple. The only other thing is that you need to choose your wizard spells from some 100 options. But this is a big part of the strategy of the game.. your options are limited to particular schools of magic so its not like you are picking 10 from a pool of 100. Marnaudo might have been referring to the miniature painting part of the preparation, which is not essential.


Also, I have a bunch of attach wing. We should have a 4 way battle...


...oh god.. so many great games.. so little time haha.
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bakersnarkMDW
Here’s someone’s pic of the unpainted BattleTech minis on BGG - I said they were no frills.
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/247121/battletech-introductory-box-set?size=original

Put your Attack Wing stuff in your BGG collection so we can see what you’ve got. 😃 (I assume you have the starter pack with the Galaxy class Enterprise-D, which I don’t)
Happy to play some but I’d probably also try to nudge people towards some Federation Commander using the same minis.
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